Why are you Atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or Wiccan?
- Apr 12, 2007 at 5:15 AM
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This is a little experiment in cross posting to find out the main reasons why you identify yourself with your religion. This is not meant to be a discussion comparing the religions, it is only meant to identify the main features of your religion that really "get to" you. As such it is more of a psychological investigation.
So why are you Atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan, or Wiccan?
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Hmmmm...I love this question.
1. I know that there is a higher power. I love science and I love the exploration of the universe we live in but the closer we get to finding out how things work - the closer we get to a higher power. For instance, we may completely prove the "Big Bang" theory of the beginning of our universe but what created the matter that caused the bang? What made matter out of nothing.
2. I am a Christian. I love the lessons of Christ. Love one another. Forgiveness. Equality for all. It is those lessons that I try to live by.
However, I view Buddhism more as a philosophy, and when I first learned about it, it was the only thing that made any sense to me. I felt like a light bulb went on that was out for my whole life.
Great question!
Islam speaks to me because I also believe that while God loves all "His" creations (God is genderless), He also holds us accountable for our actions. He recognizes that humans have spats of weakness and so it is our intention that is most important. God is just and fair, and we will be judged for our actions in this life, but God will not make a mistake in His judgment, and we will receive what is due to us. There are even passages in the Qur'an that hint that punishments for some deeds are temporary, and once we have finished our punishment, we will be allowed to ascend into Heaven.
These are some of the reasons I am Muslim.. there are many more.
I am Christian in that I accept the salavation of Christ. I do not follow the Christian man made churches who twist religion to manipulate the masses.
I have studied about Astaru and the Nordic traditions and feel strong kinship to them as they are a part of my heritage.
Maybe it is better to say I am a panentheist which can be found in all major world religions but isn't a distinguishing feature of any of them (including UU).
I associate with Jesuit Catholicism because that is what is most familiar to me, and it is the most comfortable espression of worship for me. But I don't think labels are the most important part of spirituality. People should just do whatever works for them, and by works I mean keeps them committed to truth, open-mindedness, awareness, and spirituality.
Pretty much any religion that (can) approaches God in a panentheistic manner is good in my book. :)
After High School i determined that God did not have grandchildren. In other words, was this my own belief or my parent's influences? The pentecostal group i worshipped with did not have the answers for how or why life happened as i experienced it, there was a huge disconnect between belief and practice. I studied Christianity very closely, and discovered the Church Fathers, Reformed theology, and the Apostle's Creed. I was satisfied that this was a reasonable and accurate description of my experience and of the circumstances around me.
I am a Christian because i believe salvation must necessarily come from outside of humanity as people are wayyyyy to fucked up for anything other than salvation by unmerited favor. Every other major religion has some kind of string attached, Buddhism is basically a kind of spiritual atheism, and i trust Rationalism, which produced the three most bloody tyrannies of the 20th century, about as far as i can throw my car (right back attcha mr. Harris). That is why i am a christian.
I strongly assert that atheism or at worst temporary agnosticism heavily favoring the probability of atheism are the only rational and logical positions to hold these days.
Why? Simple. The God Hypothesis.
The existence of God in/outside of our universe is a scientific question by nature; in that a universe with a divine being is dramatically different in composition that a universe without one.
Thus the question of God's existence is a scientific hypothesis, and one that should be broken in down into a null hypothesis (atheism) and alternative hypothesis (a god does exist) and weighted according to verisimilitude (verifiable truthlikeness). There is absolutely no observable evidence whatsover to suggest the addition of the God Hypothesis to explain our natural universe is justified. At this time, there is a lot of verisimilitude attached to the accepted laws of physics, the theory of evolution, and other theories that explain the universe and the life within it. Thus, it is only rational to currently hold that atheism appears more verifiably truthlike than any explanation of the universe that invokes an all powerful divine being.
I respectfully but strongly disagree with KatieKat here " For instance, we may completely prove the "Big Bang" theory of the beginning of our universe but what created the matter that caused the bang? What made matter out of nothing."
In contrast, the theory of the Big Bang does not attempt to explain how a universe evolved from "nothing". In fact, modern science strongly suggests that is impossible. One of the keys laws of physics is that matter is neither created nor destroyed, and in millions of experimental and observational data no matter or energy has been created or destroyed. Your argument sounds to me like a version of the Original Cause fallacy, where one makes the assumption that at some point our universe did not exist in some natural state, and was unnaturaly created. The fallacy breaks down quite quickly when you apply their own faulty premise: if your argument holds true, then who or what created God? If your answer is that God has always existed, Occam's Razor rule of logic insists you must accept the simpler and more explanatory solution, that the universe itself has always existed in some natural form. That is actually something we can try to falsify upon observation, i.e. by trying to create or destroy matter, something that has never been observed to be possible.
Remember, scientific theories are infinte sources of information, which means while they are very useful, it also means at least for now that no scientific theory is 100% definitively and verifiably correct. However, scientific theories clearly offer the best possible avenue for answering questions about our universe, including the God Hypothesis.
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I'm Pagan because when I learned of reincarnation, the duality of deity, and also the Pagan way of worship, I just said to myself "well duh". It was just a perfect match with my ideas of spirituality and what Divinity is like.
Also, as a Pagan I practice alone. By going to UU services, it fulfills my need for community in Divinity. It reconciles all of my beliefs nicely into one package!
Mostly, I am a student of all religions in that I try to learn as much of their wisdom as I can absorb. I just primarily identify as a Pagan UU.
I have a hard time categorizing myself...
my question is why do human beings always need to categorize themselves as one way or another? i agree with some hindu, buddhist, christian, muslim texts but am not part of any of these religions. It seems the nature of human beings to form a group that is partially based on the exclusion of everyone else. In some extreme cases, a group will form and believe that it is superior to other groups. I think this phenomenon has some basis in evolution. Maybe, at one point, it was beneficial for people to identify in groups, so they would socialize and share food and ensure the survival of the species. In any case, the numerous times I've tried to categorize myself I've failed to be satisfied with the classification. Its complex-- I believe in God, yet I don't believe in God, I agree a lot of the spiritual leaders are correct and I think they are incorrect as well...the one thing that I will consistently believe is that people must help other people and love each other, with no religious strings attached.
I <3 the ancient teachings of Buddhism and Hinduism, the cultural diversity of the world, and welcome it all as part of the same tapestry.
My favorite religion is Vedic Hinduism. I might consider practicing it aesthetically if I weren't a critical rationalist.
The Upanishads as you probably know are likely the most important text of Vedic Hinduism. Atman = Brahman, where Atman is the self, and Brahman is the ground of all reality and existence; Brahman is uncreated, external, infinite and all-embracing. The Upanishads teach that the ultimate ground of the universe is one with the ground of the thinker and creator himself, and that Brahman is all things that are real. "Satyam": immortal, mortal, and that which binds the two (and all things) together.
My take is that Atman is you, and Brahman is all the matter and energy in the multi-verse; the trick is finding a happy medium between the two.
I am a member of a Baptist church, but I don't consider myself a "Baptist". I am a follower of Jesus. I was raised in by churchgoing and religious parents, but as I've read the Bible I've chosen faith on my own initiative.
I know that God exists because I've felt his love through my whole life, and there's so much about this world that could never be explained by science or the humanities, or any human being.
Didiervall, Wicca is a rather new religion. I reviewed some books on it here and here and here. This thread is also cross posted to several Wiccan groups on Vox if you want to know more.
I also believe that the Catholic Church allows for more accountability among its members while still preserving privacy. My spiritual state is important to the whole Church and the whole Church can help me with it...I'm not left on my own with my "personal relationship" with Our Lord. Additionally, I do not need to acknowledge my sin publicly to receive said support.
Further, if one believes in God then Catholicism makes better logical sense if we follow what we know of God's nature.
Lastly, my Church is among the oldest continuous institutions in the West and perhaps in the world. I take a certain amount of historical satisfaction at being a member.
Excellent post. I was born into a christian family and was raised to believe their beliefs were right and all others were wrong. I was taught to believe that the devil had a hand in all doubt of faith, so I tried hard to not question. That is why I was a christian. Then I found some counter-proofs, a few white lies in their theology, and I began to disbelieve. Once a disbeliever I found I couldn't believe in anything for the same reasons, if I could find any reason to disbelieve, then it couldn't be the truth. I looked at a lot of religions, identified as an agnostic. A few weeks ago I realized that what I really don't believe in is a god or gods that take a personal caring interest in humanity, and decided that if I had to have a label, I really am an atheist in regards to that type of belief in or following of a supposedly caring god. I've just seen too much horror to believe in that.
As soon as I got to the point where I felt I could identify as an atheist I also realized that I had spent fifteen years trying to define myself by what I am not. I'm not about to head completely in the opposite direction by wanting to fit myself in another person's religious summary of belief, but I am ready now to stop resisting all apples just because I can find a worm or a rotten spot in each one.
But I don't let that bother me. Why care where I'm going to end up after life? Why worry about the point of my life and all that kind of crap? "Oh, dear, I swore! That's going to send me to Hell, that is!" I'm also not as unrealistic as my Christian grandmother and my Muslim aunt (both take religion TOO seriously, as far as I can see): they say that the Devil does everything bad in the world, and that God is all-powerful - yet he doesn't make the Devil do all the bad things. As far as I'm concerned, God does EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter if He's killing people - they're dead. Big wow. If everyone has to die, so be it. I can't change it, and neither can anyone else. So it's not worth worrying about. That way, I don't worry about every little action I make or every little comment I say - God has either made me do it, or He hasn't (in which case he's either not real or isn't all-powerful and so isn't worth worshipping).
And I'm quite happy with those beliefs ^_^
It is really difficult for me to describe my religious beliefs, because even I'm not sure exactly what they are. On one hand, I believe there is a higher power of some kind, but on the other hand, I don't think that it matters if I worship it "the right way" or even at all. I like Lally's description about how God can exist and not exist simultaneously in different dimensions. It fits the way I think almost exactly.
Philosophically, though, I consider myself a Taoist (along with a mixture of a few other things). It just makes the most sense to me. I was raised Christian and even when I believed in God, I was uncomfortable with the idea that anything could be completely good or, in the case of Satan, completely evil. I heard people saying, "How could a caring God allow evil to exist?" and my thought was always, "because without evil, He could never be considered good." Then, when I was about 15, I decided that I didn't want anything to do with church and that I really wasn't sure whether or not God existed. I was fascinated with religion anyway, though, so I studied them in my spare time. Eventually I came upon Taoism and read the Tao te Ching and it all just clicked. That's it, really.
Besides that, faith is faith for a reason... but I've never known anything to draw me into peace or purpose like believing in Jesus as Messiah. He is the light of the world, and nothing else has even come close. Some get mad, and with reason. Christians have been known for atrocities... but we're human. Christ was not a Christian, however, and as far I've seen He's been better to me than any person who I've ever encountered or known in my life. He is a constant. He's better than life. He is life.
C. S. Lewis, he's got a pretty good understanding of Christianity as I know it myself.
Me, I like the idea that all religions are paths to discovering god, that there's no true religion. Just multiple interpretations of the same truth. I don't exactly believe everything about Hinduism (like reincarnation, etc) but there's enough in there to make me comfortable. And on a completely aesthetic level, I love the multitudes of gods and colourful stories in Hinduism. It's like modern day Greek mythology. ;)
All of this is just my opinion though and based on why *I* feel the way I do. I don't mean anything as a generalization. :)
I was brought up with Christianity and explored a number of sects within it before I discovered that Judaism is where I belong. I started the conversion process once a few years ago but never completed it. For now, I'm comfortable simply being a Noachide in the Jewish community, but eventually I would like to officially convert.
I don't always identify with my evangelical Christian culture, although I know some amazing people who are followers of Jesus. Sometimes I find the ideological view point too neat and tidy for my liking. If I had a culture that I felt most comfortable in, it would be with artists, thinkers and philosophers, but I figure they probably don't care that much about me. Jesus does.
I can identify with Islam because it strives for tolerance and highlights education. This religion tells me to improve myself first, to educate myself. Also, it encourages me to be more social minded, encouraging me to do good, to donate, to hold group prayers, to care for my neighbors and to look after orphans.
Heck, it's basically the basis of Hillary Clinton's it takes a village.
I am. That's it.
My husband defines himself mostly as Atheist. He finds the idea of a God a pretty hard one to imagine. That is why he defines himself that way. He says, "how could a God allow the atrocities that exist?" To each his own.
I believe in God because of the incredible unlikliness of the "coincedences" in my life.
I believe that the Bible is powerful because of the way it means different things to me at different times, and because I always seem to find what I need to read.
I believe that Christians have a bad name; that people think they are unforgiving, prudish, up-tight, shallow, self-righteous, and hypocritical.
And although this is sometimes unfair, I believe for the most part it's an entirely deserved reputation.
That's why I'm working on my own religion right now, and looking for people that feel the same way.
Interesting that you include atheism in the list of religions.
i feel that from the moment i could think for myself i couldn't take god seriously. when i look at the world, it seems ludicrous for me to think that god created it. first of all i don't think it is utterly possible for a god to exist represented by religions so that is out of the question. all the qualities ascribed by religions to god such as benevolent can't be possible if evil exists in the world because any form of evil existing in the world automatically suggests that the god can't be all good. as for god in the general sense (a higher order), i can't equally belive that because if man is a creation of god, what is god a creation of?
i have a million other reasons for my lack of belief in a god but that's another story. ultimately, if there was a way to prove god's existence, and it was proven that he does exist, then i will believe in one, but i think everyone knows that won't happen.
forgive my grammatical errors, i have to get to university. by the way, i'm 18 if anyone's wondering.
cheerio!
I do understand the "intense muslim" stance some Muslim parents take. However, it's a thin line between intense and radical.
Listening to religious people (especially christian fundementalists) who say things like 'where did the matter that resulted in the big bang come from? science doesn't explain it and that's because it's god.' These kind of arguments which are also used to argue against evolution are idiotic and ludicrous because the whole point of science and what makes science is that science doesn't know all the answers yet, and that's why it's called science, it is progressive and through time and after many years of proving wrong different theories and refining others, plausibe answers are achieved. i think people who are trying to debunk science and scientific theories are too impatient and want an immediate answer. people should be more patient .
forgive any spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
cheerio.
Put me down as atheist. Why not believing in something that is not there needs a title, is beyond me. I wonder if they have a name for people who do not believe the Greek gods or Roman gods
I truly believe religion is a mild form of dementia. I had it force upon me in grade school and it took many years of deprograming to get over it.
We worked very hard insulating our kids from religion. They are both in their 30's and I know they are much better persons because they are not infuenced by any religious teaching.
Personally, I can not understand why adults believe some of the religious statements. Faith is a wonderfull thing, but you would think that after a couple of thousand years, with no one ever seeing anything to confirm religious beliefs, people would admit they had been duped.
But a savy business person can make lots of money preaching those beliefs, can't they?
I believe in the earth, the sky, science, stuff we know, and in the comfort that there's so much stuff we don't know. I believe in being groovy and finding groovy stuff in the world, and in learning, and collecting wisdom while retaining a childlike wonder at how the tides work, and the beauty in the curve of a good baseball pitch, and the science of a good poem, the way paint colors mix, and biochemistry, even though I don't understand it.
In my 20's, I was in large commercial jet, crossing the Pacific. We were hit by sheering winds or a microburst that flipped the plane over and put us into a fall. While the pilot tried to recover, I, along with the 200+ people on board, had a good 2 or 3 minutes hanging upside down in my seat to consider that we were likely going to die. People around me were screaming and praying, but at no point did I pray or contemplate a god or an afterlife. After that, I knew my efforts to believe were in vain. I just don't believe in a god or an afterlife or even a soul in the spiritual sense. We are animals like many others, and all the good in this life must be created from our efforts to improve our lives and the lives of others. Similarly, most of the bad things in this life stem from our ignorance and fear and selfishness.
I was raised Catholic and educated in Catholic schools through high school, dabbled in Wicca/Paganism when I was 15-18 or so, have an intense respect and love for the Jewish culture, and a general fascination for religion in general. However, I look at all of them as one might look at history or sociology: fascinated, but somewhat detached.
I myself am deeply spiritual, but I don't follow the dogma of any one organized religion. My mother was raised Catholic--went to Catholic schools, pre-Vatican II--but for reasons of her own which she's never discussed with me in any depth, she stopped practicing for a long time. But as a small child, I remember saying my prayers at night with my mother--she had her own prayer which went "Good night, sleep tight, wake up bright in the morning light, to do what's right with all your might...and God bless Mommy, and God bless Daddy...(and so on with the members of the family)."
I think the "do what's right with all your might" part has stuck with me at a very deep level throughout my life, and probably forms the basis of all my spiritual beliefs, along with the strong belief that there is a God and that God is the manifestation of love. This core belief has woven through all my spiritual explorations, from going to different churches with my friends, pretending I didn't believe in God (it was a teen angst thing), exploring various neo-pagan traditions including Wicca, joining a fundamentalist evangelical Christian church, and a few other twists and turns.
At this point in my life I'd say I believe in God, and I believe in a divine feminine counterpart--a goddess, if you will. I also believe that there are spirit helpers and spirit thieves. I believe Jesus Christ was a prophet and that his teachings were valid (and I wish more people who call themselves Christians would actually live by his teachings). I believe divinity is immanent and indwelling, that every living creature and every natural thing on this earth and beyond contains a spark of the Divine; this belief leads me to a fundamental respect for all life. I believe in cultivating an attitude of gratitude, because even when things look really bad (and trust me, I've had some very, VERY dark moments in my life) there is something worth being thankful for. I believe in respecting the life you take (for example, if you eat meat) and thanking it for its sacrifice, and I believe in considering the short- and long-term consequences of your actions. I believe in doing something to make the world a better place, because even the tiniest thing helps.
So I guess that makes me a good Christo-Pagan-Hindo-Buddhist Shaman. :-)
Living in rural Missouri, there are not many "choices" between religions but you have no shortage of churches. Part was a completed year of Evangelical Catechism. While Buddhist practise was discontinued in the home (still in childhood), it's how I define myself (even though I sit irregularly!).
I was born and raised and continue to be a member of the United Church of Christ. It's on the far left/progressive scale of Protestenism. I question my faith in ways of being a follower/believer of Jesus in the way the Right wants you to do, but I don't question the lessons he taught us. We often say the Bible is too important to take literally. I was raised on the Good Samaritan story and the Golden Rule. I believe we have an obligation to be the stewards of those less fortunate and of our planet.
We have a proud history of social justice and being open and accepting to all of God's people and creation. First to ordain a black minister (1700's), first to ordain a woman minister (1860's) and first to ordain a gay minister (1970's).
We aren't evangelical and tend to keep a low profile. Those who want to find us, will. I joke that are the church where scientists and Democrats can go and be safe.
I distinguish myself as a Christian, but not religious. I have a personal relationship with God and His people. But religion, dogma, & legalism are man-made institutions rife with the fallibility that is inherently human.
I'm Catholic but I mostly identify with it because my entire family is Catholic. My parents and grandparents are immigrants from a very Catholic country. I thought about becoming Buddhist when I was 18 years old and eventually decided to stay Catholic since it's such a big part of my family celebrations. I don't buy into the doctrine blindly, though. I ultimately believe that a person's relationship with God (or whatever name you give to a Higher Power) cannot be defined or constrained by a title like Christian, Buddhist, etc.
By the way, there's a Unitarian Universalist Voxers group here. We'd welcome new participants.
There is absolutely no god, no higher power, no universal creator, no nothing. Religious people are brainwashed sheep whose faith in the giant boogeyman in the sky is most troubling, as those beliefs lead to 95% of all conflict and war.
I don't really mind people who choose to believe in a higher power. That's their business. It's religious people whose existence and beliefs are patently stupid, ignorant and offensive to me.
One reason is because I actually have a relationship with God. He has protected me when I needed protecting and has answered my prayers when I needed them answered. He has also pulled me away from Satan and closer to Himself. I have nightmares every time I get a tad farther from Him and He gets rid of them for me.
I also think that if God didn't exist, there would be nothing. Come on, what do you think makes trees grow? And what tells our brains to process? And how do we have a mind? I'd like to see humans pull apart a brain and figure that out.
I also believe in the idea of love that the Bible promises. It's very comforting to know that there is someone who loves me, gives me courage, protects me, and sees me in ways that humans can't.
Really interesting comments. I found this blog on technorati whilst searching up about blogs talking about religious differences and other related topics. I read through most of the comments, and everyone here seemed very eager to share their views, but what I found really cool was that, although the beliefs where hugely diverse, everyone had reasons why they individually related to aspects of their religion or their particular belief, but at the same time, they did not really promote or preach about their religion - only one comment stated that their religion was better because it had no strings attached. The majority of comments were about love, values, teachings and the culture of their various beliefs. I also came across a new term for me - seems like I should have come across it but I haven't before - Unitarian Universalism - which seemingly refers to a spirituality search related to the type of confusion I'm in with regards to the whole religion and spirituality "thing." Nevertheless, I definitely do not want to align myself to any particular way of thinking or term, especially one I only came across a couple of days ago.
So, as for myself, I'm a tad confused. Regarding myself: I was born into a Hindu family, and thus I've been surrounded by Hinduism and its teachings. My parents are quite spiritually inclined, and even though a lot of their beliefs seem to be derived from Hinduism, being very open-mindedtruth-seeking people, a whole other side of their values are from numerous differentsources like Buddhism, Christianity, the teachings of Sathya Sai Baba, and so on. My strongly religious maternal grandmother lived with us until I was about fifteen, so I saw her go to the shrine room in our house to pray each morning and night, and often conduct a ceremony. I've been involved in such ceremonies, and I like to learn about them, however I don't feel a real need to be a part of them since I think a relationship with God is personal. I do visit the shrine room on a daily basis because it does exude a feeling of tranquility and good intentions. I've been to temples many times before, but I haven't been to one in the last two or so years. I learnt South Indian classical music for 12 years - the songs are about, and to God - however I was mainly there because of my love for music. These are a combination of things that have influenced my thinking and bias.
So, I find that I really relate to Hinduism and I could quite easily call myself a Hindu, because in the end, the values and beliefs coincide with mine but there is also a lot of open-mindedness inherent in the religion. It's almost like Hinduism provides teachings and various methods (or ways of seeings) that allow people to have a relationship with God, and thus live life of happiness for yourself and others. However, that's only my interpretation of it. Like anything, teachings in Hinduism could be understood differently, or followed in a certain way without questioning, which could seem "bad" to me. I'll come back to this in another post. I want to use the word "therefore," but it's not like I"m putting forth a logical argument, but my conclusion is I feel uncomfortable calling myself part of any particular religion until I have a greater understanding of it (that's if I ever come to a satisfactory understanding in my own eyes). So, rather, I'd like to take what works for me with regards to God from religions like Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and Buddhism, and anywhere else I can, and try to live my life in way that would help others to experience (or realise) the grace contained in life in whatever way they do.
I'm not really sure, and I'm happy to admit it.
I'm very much a religious pluralist--live and let live. Don't condemn me for my beliefs, and I won't condemn you.
I may convert to (liberal) Judasim some day, as many do, which may explain why there aren't many observant Noahides in the world today :)
Many of those people I met seemed to be more confident and relaxed with themselves which kind of made it even more attractive. So at first I think I looked for a stress-resolver.
What I learned over the years is that Buddhism and the practice is soley based on reality. Sometimes when you learn a new practice, it is about trust to do it. But in the end you always "know" - you don't "believe" in something. You know from experience.
Also, you really learn a lot about yourself - which may sound selfish at first, but I look at it like that I need to achieve a state where I no longer depend on others to be happy and to achieve something. Realizing this and in the end (hopefully) achieving this I think I am a much better person.
Last but not least, I like the idea of Karma. I feel responsible for myself, my current circumstances and situation and don't shift the blame on others.
I'm an atheist because I couldn't get myself to believe in God, where his very being is filled with numerous contradictions. And really, that's the gist of it. I'm a nitpicker, I will admit, and I find comfort in things that is proven, but. I also know that there are a lot of things out there that aren't proven. However, the reason I cannot find comfort in God or any other deity is that fact that I don't see how one being can control EVERYTHING. To me, everything lends itself to each other---nothing can exist without the help of something else. In short, nothing can be all-powerful.
I also don't like religious fanaticals, which does nothing for the "relationship" between religion and I. They bother me, because I simply don't want to understand why they won't try to see the other side of the story, if you will. :/ And they sort of smudge the good name of those who ARE good religious people, which just really irks me.
I see myself as a scholar---I like religion solely for learning all about it. It has nothing to do with faith for me; it's all about the knowledge. And I for one am a complete knowledge hog. ;) For those who find comfort in religion, lovely! :D It's nice to know that religion provides comfort to those who need and want it. The fact still remains that it does nothing whatsoever to me. I like to control my own fate/life/etc. you see.
Besides, if I ever have any desire to go back into religion, it would definitely be Buddhism. Very peaceful and one point of said religion is to rid yourself of selfish desires, which is a goal I very much admire, among other things. :) I attend Buddhist sessions since my mum is Buddhist [when I converted from Christianity I went to Buddhism with her] and it's a very serene, clean feeling you get. Plus, my mum has definitely improved and moved on. :D
So yeah, religion is helpful to those who need it. But definitely not for me.
Curiously, when one begins to compare the teachings of the Founders of the major Religions of the world, one soon discovers that there are far more similarities than differences. Further it can be discovered that all the Founders have referenced a "Person" who will appear in the future to establish World Peace through the implementation of spiritual principles
in every aspect of human life, from personal to international. Careful, prayerful,and reflective investigation of the life and teachings of Baha'u'llah has convinced me that He is, in fact, that Promised One. Consequently, I am Baha'i. Investigate the Baha'i Faith yourself: http://www.bahai.org/ And also: http://www.bahai.us/
To those who have not had an experience of the Non-physical Reality in their live, I can only say that it becomes possible only when you admit to the possiblity.
Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand."
Kurt Vonnegut
But I can summarize with the last paragraph of that post:
"I'm 41 now. I still have a lot of questions. I am still frustrated by the absurdities in life, but at the same time, they do amuse me to no end. I am an atheist now. If I had to state what I believe, I would say nothing. If anything, I would describe myself as a optimistic existentialist. For me, the only meaning life has is the one that I give it. And I had better give it a very, very good one since it's the only one I have."
I remain a Christian because that path did indeed lead me to God. I've come to see that exploring even a fraction of the Christian tradition can occupy a lifetime. As I've continued on the path (9 years so far), the type of Christian I am has changed. I'm finding that Catholic-Anglican faith and practice satisfies my need for a religion that speaks to the heart, mind, and body. My church provides me with the model for a strong community dedicated to living in peace and mutual love (with varying degrees of success, naturally.)
Also, I'm a big nerd; and if I'm going to go to church,I want it to be medieval, man - robes, bells, candles, bread, wine, incense, and all the rest of it.
I am not advocating agnosticism because no one is really agnosticisim or aethiesm. For the later - everyone believes in something, even if it is a lack of existence of a God in favour of a "belief" in science. For the former - even if someone can't define what they believe in on a conscious level, everyone does have a core beleif which can summarise their being.
However, this core belief is very rarely in a religion or a God figure, it is most often in a set of core values. These values are what define us, what we place first when;
Infact they define every significant choice in our lives. Why do people turn to organised religion then, when that so frequently fails to echoe their values? There are several reasons. One of them is habit - organised religion is a habit forming device, you see the religion is there, you feel the need to fill your life up with something and bind or constrain yourself to a set of beliefs so you go and join a church (particullarly an Abrahamic church). Another reason is solace - people can't face a universe in which they die and don't continue, so they look for a solution which will give them a purpose in the universe (Christianity - to serve God and leave a good life) so that they may acheive a certain state in the after life (Islam - Paradise & the Hells).
I advocate the abolition of all organised religion. Don't get me wrong - you can beleive whatever you wish - however the churches of today are forces more for corruption and degredation rather than salvation. Two good examples are;
I believe that people should return to the core of religion - certain people who share the same values sets getting togethor to do good works based on those values sets. It is important to realise that religion has abolished this. Without organised religion there would have been far less bloodshed throughout history and far less hatred would exist now. The organised religions have failed abjectly to do good works. I admit that there are certain orginisations attempting to do them, however, at this point these orginisations will never outway the human tragedies caused by them.
I am tired now. I might write more at a later date - I will certainly attempt to define my own values set.
~Shades
I am a Christian, for many reasons, but found a great quote today that perfectly expresses one of them: "The pattern should be clear. When serenity comes out of anxiety, joy out of depression, hope out of hopelessness; when good is returned for evil, forgiveness replaces retaliation, and courage triumphs over fear; then we recognize the movement of something beyond the personality and mental health. Such profound manifestations of the human spirit are the faces of the fourth dimension, which I have called the Holy." -- From Transforming the Moment by James E. Loder
well, how difficult it's to explain it in two or three words...i think that in every religion teaches to give all around you the fact that it's religion by its side...i'm buhddism and in me i feel that it's the best way i could think...i use to say buhdist choose me but it's not me choose buhddism...
eiric
Raised as a Christian but at about 12 I realised a few things, and just couldn't believe anymore. Conflicts over religion cause a lot of harm, so I just think it's easier to not believe.
I have been a part of several Christian traditions, as well as studying the belief structures of many others.
The reason I am now aligned with the description of faith that there IS a GOD that I am now bound to is because that identity has become my life's blood. I may not agree with all who wear the same label, but I like to attribute the diversity to the vastness of the God I believe in. How could the mind of one person such as myself, ever be so arrogant as to believe he or she reflects COMPLETELY, the FULL person of God, even if the ancient scriptures say that human-kind was made in the "likeness" of God?
On a more practical note, my faith orders my priorities, how I interact with the world and WHAT I am attuned to look for.
I have a personal theory that people WILL find whatever they are looking for. Want to find evil? BAM... there it is. Want to find God? WOW!... EVERYWHERE.
This part is OUTSIDE the teachings of the Christian Church, to which I cling: If I can believe that ALL people were created by God and that I alone can't fathom the vastness of that creator, what says God could not speak to different peoples of diverse cultures over the course of time, in the way EACH would best hear, based on each people's understanding of the world and of God?
I for one think that MOST people of faith are just a scattered children, connecting with the same VAST creator in the vocabulary that allows them that access.
I would hate to take up an argument with some of my brothers and sisters and ACCEPT that such is NOT the purpose of this thread... for which I give thanks.
In Christian teaching ( that is MY connection to faith), the words of scripture indicate that Jesus said that no person comes to the father except by him. I can agree fully with that... but what some are not willing to accept is that these ancient texts were FILLED with literary devices that spoke to the people of the time in ways we could only now guess at.
A common translation of this text in modern times would say that none can come to the creator without being Christian. However, a different interpretation would say that this passage was intended to be understood as saying that any who come before the creator personality of the vastness of God will also find the merciful nature of God ( as was made incarnate in the person of Jesus) as well.
I don't believe ANY of us have the ability to understand the magnitude of what the simple three-letter word "GOD" that we throw about so carelessly represents.
I espouse a trinitarian view of God, not just because Christianity is the prevailing expression of faith in my part of the world, but because it makes sense to me that people of human nature would wish to "break God down" into terms we can understand better. In saying this, I do NOT say that I do not believe the tenants of Christian doctrine... I DO believe them... only that I ALSO think mankind has attempted to reduce such teachings ( in some senses) to a vending machine... if you say this, no matter what is really in your heart, out pops a key to the kingdom.
I DON'T believe THAT. The TRUE key to the kingdom of God ( in my eyes) is not something we get by just saying the right words. First and foremost, that key is a gift... yes... but not to unlock the pearly gates where St. Peter stands guard... that key is for the unlocking of our hearts.
I LOVE the faith tradition that allows me to find God on levels that are not all pre-determined for me... a tradition that though there IS structure, does not say I have to believe EXACTLY like another or that I will burn in the flaming pits of hell for having ever questioned.
I am a devout Christian who believes in the VERY Christ-like effort of reconciliation. There may be things I can't take on as personal view-point of God, but that does not mean that I can't feel relationship with brothers and sisters who are following a different path. We may enrich each other greatly if we will only take time to listen to each other.
Well, I am a pagan as far as religious title goes, but that is because it is more of an umbrella term than anything. There are so many traditions and there are some many different perspectives... and they are all beautiful and they are all beautiful together... like the threads of a tapestry. When you get down to the basic trend of all religions... it is the faith that there is something more to life then being born, eating, sleeping, mating, and then dying. Even people with out a "faith" so to speak... believe in something more... like atoms, gravity, air, stars, the universe, black holes, history, and so on. I consider myself pagan because practice and have faith in many religions or portions of them.
I do believe in magic and metaphysics and the power of prayer, but I think all these things are the same... just different ways of doing it. I believe in a higher power... but I don't think it is a definable being... I think it is everything and nothing and everywhere and no where. I think gods and goddesses, God, Satan, the Dream Relm, the universal unconsious, myths, and so on are the results of human beings trying to define the same thing. Take the cat for example... people who speak english call it a cat, in spanish a gato, in japanese a neko, or in german katze... what I am trying to say is that people all over the world see one thing and give it a name.
Its a feeling of connection... of energy dancing everywhere... and of the wonder and mystery of life. I have found that Paganism, Wicca, Witchcraft, Druidism, Shamanism, and so on are more excepting of others. Maybe it is because of the hardships and the stuggle to continue their teachings have made these groups realize... it's the same thing... just a different name. And with different cultures comes different customs. And different perspectives. And different focuses...different needs. And the needs and wants have changed with the soical evolution and technological advances that have been made... but they are still there.
I have felt the glory of sunset from a mountain top, I have cry with joy in the pouring rain, I have seen people leave their mortal vessels knowing that they continue on, I have seen spirits in a graveyard fog, I have felt the life pulse of a forest. Yes I do believe in faeries and other creatures that are of a mythological nature... I do believe there is magic in music and cooking and chanting and herds and teas.
I believe the world is full of magic and life and promise.
I believe in a lot of things... don't you?
I was brought up as a Christian and love Jesus's teachings of love one another, etc. But yes I would see the hypocrisy in people once they had left the church doors every Sunday. Also the Old Testament was very off putting. As is the fact that so many wars have been waged in the name of Christianity and other religions.
Now I know that Buddhism is not perfect, but it appears to be a lot less hypocritical and its universal aproach is to develop compassion and love for everyone no matter who they are, even the tiniest of insects.
Many of the common "modern" psychological therapies such as Cognitive Behavoural Therapy (CBT) are actually very close to the psychology of Buddhism. One of the common sayings in Buddhism is, "Be your own therapist". It is about taking control of who we are and taking responsibility for our actions, rather than blaming others for all of our problems. I love that aspect of Buddhism.
Buddhists aren't even into converting people to their religion, they advise people that if their religion works for them then stick with it.
Also as Buddhists we should question all of our teachings and if we find that it doesn't hold true for us then we should reject it.
So for me I guess I must have that spiritual gene planted inside of me, as I feels like there needs to be something more. I don't believe it is because I am weak and I need a crutch, it is just something inside of me that yearns for more.
So yes I will talk about peace and harmony because I really want it for this world and its people and that is why I like Buddhism as I relate to it. It upsets me when I see other religions tearing each other apart and at the same time tearing this world apart and it doesn't have to be this way.
Now that I have said where I lie as far as my religious beliefs are, I am happy to say that I will have the opportunity to see H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama on the 7th June in Bendigo.
I was baptized Catholic, but missed out on my First Holy Communion and later my Confirmation due to my parent's divorce and my mom taking a break from the church after she was somewhat shunned (during the 1960's & 70's). My grandparents, however, often took me to their church and so I say I was raised Catholic. As an adult, I would attend Catholic church every now and then and on the major holy days. Because I was never confirmed, I did not take part in the Eucherist and that always bothered me. I was married in a historic Lutheran Church (my husband's family is Lutheran) that was so beautiful & ornate in its architecture, I felt like I was in a Catholic church. Later, my husband & I joined the United Church Of Christ Church in our neighborhood. We loved the strong commmunity feel there. My first son was baptized there. My daughter was baptized at a UCC church in Kauai, HI on a long family vacation. I always felt like something was missing at the UCC church though. I missed the symbolism, rituals and emphasis on the sacraments of the Catholic Church. So, when we moved to the small town we live in outside of Seattle, I went to Mass at the local Catholic Church. What a breath of fresh air from what I remember from my childhood. No fire & brimstone homily...instead, messages of loving your neighbor as Jesus loves, kindess, compassion. I went a second time, a third, & so on. I was intrigued - the Priest seemed almost liberal compared to what I was raised with. Long story, short (oops - too late for that! sorry!) I decided to be confirmed Catholic. A few years later, my husband went through RCIA to become Catholic too. But only after he tested it, poked it, and asked the most difficult questions he could think of. I never guessed in a million years we would have both decided to be "Catholics". But it is the path was meant to be (that is another very long story). Now with three young children, it is very nice to be "on the same page" as far as our beliefs go. I do not want to "cram" any religion down my kid's throats, though. So, I try to show them what others believe as well and when they are of age, they can decide for themselves. That said, I am also highly interested in Buddhism. I have been for the past 10 years. Yet, I haven't had any encounters with other buddhists. Most of what I know is from reading books on my own. Buddhism has helped me to stay present and to accept what is. It also connects to many of my reasons for being a vegetarian. Buddhist principles make so much sense to me and I do not find any conflicts with it as a Catholic.To me saying the rosary is very similiar to meditating. I like to do both. To sum it up, Buddhism & going to church bring a sense of peace & well being into my life.
I believe in God, because the existence of an ultimate reality that has revealed itself as Personal makes the most sense to me of:
(a) My subjective experience of life, love and meaning, and
(b) My objective experience of an evolving universe capable of generating complex sentient life and mind out of relatively simple insentient energy and matter
I believe that God has revealed Himself or Herself in each of the major religions of the world, and indeed anywhere we find truth, beauty and goodness in significant measure
I am a Christian because I see God most clearly revealed in the face of Christ as he suffers on the cross, and takes upon Himself the suffering of humanity in the ultimate act of self-giving love
I am a Protestant because I believe that salvation is a free gift from God, not able to be earned by us in any way by means of meritorious works, but simply able to be received by us by faith as we finally surrender in brokenness to the Ground of our Being, which is Love
I am reformed because I believe that even this faith and surrender is itself a gift of God, an inevitable response of the human heart to the irresistible grace of a God who has chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world
I am a believer in Universalism, because I believe that all human beings, and indeed the totality of the Cosmos itself, is elect in Christ to be the recipient of that final and irrevocable salvation, where the meaninglessness of death will finally be overcome, and the God of Love will be All in All
I was discussing 'spiritual aspects of living' on various online forums. One group was a dedicated atheists discussion list with most members only offering bitter personal attacks instead of adding anything substantive to the discussion.
But to be fair to these atheists, I've known many a religious fellow that are just as bitter, if not more so, than atheists I meet. So just being 'religious' is not a guarantee of being at peace.
Each man made religion contains perfection's as well as imperfections. It is up to the practitioner or end user to use the tools in the right way.
Many times we are too busy for peace. As one atheist list member wrote, 'It took awhile - far too long, really - but I've finally found that one can find peace by simply being undisturbed."
2- Accepting the liberating wisdom of impermanence and practicing non-clinging and a lessening of craving and desires.
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
2. Refrain from Stealing
3. Refrain from Sexual Misconduct
4. Refrain from False Speech
5. Refrain from the Use of Intoxicants
To give drink to the thirsty
To clothe the naked
To harbour the harbourless
To visit the sick
To ransom the captive
To bury the dead
To counsel the doubtful
To admonish sinners
To bear wrongs patiently
To forgive offenses willingly
To comfort the afflicted
To pray for the living and the dead
So, whether you are on either end of this spectrum of beliefs, the choices are the same as to the direction we take when it comes to inner peace.
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
I'm Pagan because I'm my own person...I'm unique.
Before anyone says, "duh," let me clarify:
I don't have a complete and irrevocable set of rules for my life or how I do things. I don't live well in utter structure. I need a little chaos and a little mystery.
I'm also more girl/woman-centered than anything else...and Paganism allows me to deal directly with the deities/powers/energies I find most comforting and/or valid.
And one of the most important reasons why I identify as Pagan is because I generally have very strong opinions about things and I decide stuff for myself. I can't abide having someone tell me what exactly I have to believe. I want to learn and discover and find out for myself... I want to KNOW for myself.
To me, Paganism allows that.
I'm Asatruar because ever since I've been gaining more awareness of the world around me, certain things have been cycling around and coming back to me: a kinship to nature and the Earth, a love of cool, foggy mornings, weird moments when I feel an alignment to fire, ice, the wind, lightning, etc....
Most of all a strong connection to Thor; from learning more about Thor I saw just how much we had in common, from our inclinations to some of the things we've done, and how every time I depict some evil or negative force in art or literature, it's always a giant serpent... and then I learned about Jormungandr.
Plus, when I began learning abour the runes and how to read them, it all came so naturally, much easier for me to work with than crystal ball scrying or tarot cards. Something was definitely clicking for me there, so I stuck with it, and I've been sticking with it ever since.
I don't associate to a single religion.
Religions are simply a particular point of view of the same thing.
Most have some, similar, basis. Some facts in common. But the need to 'be right' overrides the Universal Need to share knowledge, and understand one another.
I think all the religions have something correct, but by binding yourself to 'Beliefs' to the exclusion of new information, stating that everyone else is 'wrong' you prevent yourself from Growing. Just because of a Label, or Fear. Spiritual Growth, and Growth as an Individual is more important than 'fitting in'
If you are limiting yourself because of your 'beliefs' what good are they? Ideas are fine, those can change with new information. Goals can be made, raised, and otherwise changed, as you get better. But Beliefs tend to be tricky, because you put so much Weight to them.
Try NOT believing, instead try Thinking, Asking, Questioning, And Learning for yourself, NOT just believing in what One book Tells you to Think.
Just my Opinion though... I wouldn't want to Tell you what to Believe...
Excellent question! I'm afraid I won't answer it as eloquently as many of you have, but I felt the need to contribute my viewpoint.
I was raised Catholic, but the beliefs never felt right to me. Too often, I found a sense of "We're right and everyone else is wrong... and is going to Hell for it." It didn't seem right that this wonderful God would condemn people to Hell for not believing in Him... seemed rather egotistical, in my opinion. I also thought... if there is a God, where's the Goddess? If we're made in His image, why not Her's too? I was young, but the questions never went away.
It was when I first chatted with a Pagan (many years ago, on the day I first got on the Internet) that I had an "a-ha!" moment. I had finally found a name for what I had believed all along.
I am so impressed with the lovely way each person has explained their views and beliefs.
I am Wiccan. I have studied many religions and facets of these religions (for example, I have been Protestant as a child, then Methodist, as a slightly older child, have been to Catholic mass many times, have been a guest to Temple with a Jewish friend, have book studied Hindu and Muslim, have looked into Buddism through books and a friend who practiced) and found that none of them really fit my beliefs.
I belive there is a greater power, but have an issue beleiving that some person, many thousands of years ago, wrote something that a divine being told them, and through many translations, it has stayed the same. I have yet to meet 10 people, when trying to pass information down the "telephone", can effectively share the message. I also have trouble accepting that, even though the ancient stories of different cultures share a great number of factors, that different religions fight about who's right. There can not be one right answer.
I finally found myself drifting toward a more pagan viewpoint and found, through discussions on our beliefs, that many of my friends were pagan.
This started a new set of studies. I have read many articles and books on "what a pagan is" and "what wicca means" and foudn myself to "fit" with the Wiccan beliefs best.
I feel that every thing has a unique spirit or vibration that links it to the world. The Oceans have a set spirit, the sand on the beach has a different spirit, your pets, the tree in the park by your home, all have, for lack of a better term, a spirit to add to the world.
I thank these spirits everyday for the love my cats give me when they wake me in the morning, when I catch a glimpse of my Mexican Petunia in full bloom, when the breeze blows on a particularly hot day, or when I see the full moon gently lighting up the world.
Very simple answer: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (God who spoke the heavens and earth into existence) "On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested* from all his work."
(What God rested from was the work of Creation. He continues constantly to be active sustaining all that he has created.)
Matthew 11:28 Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.